ext_339830 ([identity profile] luridlurker.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] house_wilson_ghc2010-01-28 11:19 pm

Some thoughts about "Remorse"

Some grumpy thoughts about "Remorse"


In consideration of the massive continuity errors of the latest episode—is that just sloppy writing or (and) sloppy producing, or do they think we viewers are stupid?
 Episodes that follow each other but where something fundamental that happened in the episode(s) before is just forgotten? The total rape of Chase's character? The stupidity of Foreman and 13's on and off love affair? Wilson, who one time hates Cuddy for the way she treated House, and a moment later is angry about how House treated Cuddy "over all the years", which is total nonsense, even for Wilson? 
"Remorse" made no sense because of the position it had inside the series, especially not after "Wilson" or "The Down Low". It's as if they pulled an old and forgotten script out of the drawer and filmed it down in haste, not caring whatever, how little sense it made at that point, and just thrust it into the show randomly.
This show has producers in abundance, but none of them catches continuity errors and wrong characterizations? Do they just not care (not even HL?), or...what else is wrong with them? 

Your thoughts on this?

[identity profile] midgar-skyline.livejournal.com 2010-01-29 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
What you've mentioned here is actually a huge concern of mine at the moment. The House/Cuddy pairing issue is something I've ranted had concerns over in a previous post (http://midgar-skyline.livejournal.com/37324.html) in my own journal already, and I'll quote a tiny bit of it here because the paragraph is what I would have typed in reply to you if I hadn't already written it.

"The first and probably most controversial opinion I am going to throw out here are my suspicions that many of the House writers themselves seem to be biased towards one of the two major House pairings at the moment (i.e. House/Wilson and House/Cuddy). Everyone has personal opinions, and thus I may be completely wrong and merely reading into things which are not there (God knows writers have it hard, and it's not an easy job - what with all the tense deadlines...), but my problem arises when the episodes see-saw wildly from one extreme to the other in an effort to push a certain agenda (or pairing as it may be)."

House and Cuddy pining(!?) for each other in a we-genuinely-seriously-love-each-other-but-woe-betide-us-that-fate-means-we-can't-be-together à la Romeo and Juliet is quite simply something which just does not make sense to me because I feel as if the producers/some writers are trying to push the "Huddy" as a serious pairing based on true love, whereas I personally just simply cannot see anything beyond crushes, lust, and perhaps misplaced senses of admiration (on both their sides). The pining, on both their parts, is driving me absolutely insane. In this new season I assume we, the audience, are meant to believe House is trying to change. Change is not necessarily a bad thing, but to change this drastically?

Comment continued below due to LJ character-limit.

[identity profile] midgar-skyline.livejournal.com 2010-01-29 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
Comment continued from above.


And where, oh where, did the strong Cuddy I admire (up until mid-season three) disappear to? She's hesitant, skittering, apparently knows House would not fit in with her ideal nuclear family (though in my personal opinion, whoever's in charge seems to want to forcibly cram House into the persona of someone who wants this role) but is still not moving on from him after all this time. Again personal opinion only, but I think that while the show may be showing that Cuddy is attempting to move on from House via Lucas, her remorseful/mourning attitude/behaviour towards House or whenever she talks about House (like in her conversation with Wilson in Known Unknowns) shows that she's anything but "over him". She's not "strong" to me anymore, and I'm really trying to change my views but it's hard.

And another quote from a huuuge previous reply I made here (http://midgar-skyline.livejournal.com/37839.html#comments):

"My personal opinion is that House probably thinks he loves Cuddy, or that he "wants" to love her, because that is what he thinks he should do/be feeling. I hover back to season 5's finale, Both Sides Now, where House's own mind in the form of Amber chastises him with the words, "So this is the story you made up about yourself. It's a good one," before his mind conjures Kutner with the rather final words of, "Too bad it isn't true."

I'm also drawing on [the S6x09 episode]
Ignorance is Bliss. The POTW storyline where he was deliberately dumbing himself down since it was the only way from his point of view that he could sustain happiness, and because he wanted to want his wife. Frankly, on a very personal note, I was horrified that House approved of the patient continuing to destroy his intellect. It may be lonely at the top, but House has had Wilson beside him for near two decades. Seems like he's still taking Wilson for granted [...]

I was horrified because to me, this was the show saying to the public that even the great Gregory House, genius with unbound curiosity extraordinaire eventually chose (apparent) love over anything else - the choice I'm referring to being what Wilson once asked him: "Do you want to be the man with all the answers, or the man with Cuddy?". And House even showed this approval by handing the guy a bottle of cough syrup. He personally approved of the guy deliberately damaging his brain because he thought it was an understandable choice, and thus the show is showing to us through House that this is apparently a good choice. I'm sorry, I've gone way off-track. It might not be a significant moment to anyone else, but I'm a physicist myself, and it struck too close to home. I was gaping in abject horror during that scene.

Anyways, this comment has run on so long that it's become incoherent to me and I apologize in advance for any offenses taken by my likely not 100% thought-through comments. I'm a very unsocialized person and can often accidentally say things in real life conversations which have implications that I never meant to infer but simply never thought of. These are, however, merely personal opinions and hypotheses and are subject to change, and are in no way in authority over anyone else or their opinions.

[identity profile] franzinera-68.livejournal.com 2010-01-29 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
Wow! I didn't though that! Good point!

[identity profile] soophelia.livejournal.com 2010-01-29 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
I agree.

[identity profile] fourleggedfish.livejournal.com 2010-01-29 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
Amen, sistah.

[identity profile] daymarket.livejournal.com 2010-01-29 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
I could not agree more. What itches me more than the constant 'pushing' of Huddy by the writers and/or Wilson (during random episodes right after denouncing it) is the supposed backstory that they have. If you watch early episodes of season 1, it's very clear that they have nothing more than a professional relationship. Cuddy calls House "Dr. House" during s1, which indicates a formal relationship and not much more than that. I just...eh. I can get it if it were a one-night stand sort of thing, long-buried in the past. But to think that House has been *pining* for his one twu wuv all these years? In context to the early episodes, that makes no sense whatsoever.

[identity profile] midgar-skyline.livejournal.com 2010-01-29 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
Hrmmm... *thinks* My personal opinion is that canon is subject to change as a story progresses. Sometimes canon clashes and this is where continuity issues arise from. However, I think character personalities shouldn't be subject to change, or at least without warning/expectation lest it simply appears badly written or OOC.

House's personality itself with regards to Cuddy and love seem off to me lately, personally. Cuddy, I might have expected, as there was always a little banter going on there and from half of season 3 onwards she clearly had a soft spot for House... but her pining and inability to really move on is annoying me.

I know probably absolutely horrid of me, but it is a personal opinion/view (and as such not everyone may agree), but pining seems weak to me. It's... I don't know... just not emotionally strong in my eyes. Not sure if that sounds right. "Not strong in resolve" I think comes closer to what my feelings are. Same with House - I never thought he'd be the pining type. Then again, Wilson told us in S2x11 Need to Know, "He's been pining [after Stacy] for five years!", so maybe I shouldn't be that surprised... Crud. I don't know what to think now because my brain is now telling me that if House could pine after Stacy, there is no reason why he can't pine over Cuddy and vice versa. Darn, I feel like I'm missing some important missing/additional factor here that's staring me in the face, but I just can't see it. Ja, hilfe, s'il vous plait. *butchers several languages like Wilson :D*

[identity profile] fourleggedfish.livejournal.com 2010-01-29 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
Even with Wilson's pining comment, I don't think it makes sense for House to pine after Cuddy. I mean, he loved Stacy and they lived together - if not for the infarction, they could be married. But Cuddy is a fling he had in college before getting expelled. She's a memory of when he was young and whole and free, and had everything spread out in front of him. I think that when people age, they could perhaps look back on that and "yearn" for that feeling again, and maybe they could end up with mistaken associations in their heads. It's the same as with House's motorcycle - he had one in college, when he was young and spry and dashing and desired by all. Then he had a midlife thing, realized he wasn't all that happy, and tried to recapture the feeling of youth by getting a motorcycle. Cuddy, in my mind, is another motorcycle. House might want it and it might make him feel good for a while, but it's not the path to happiness. And I'm not sure that either of them realize that in the show (or at least, I think that's a justification the writers could use for prolonging the Huddy arc.)

As for Cuddy...it seemed like she only *really* wanted House after 1) she had someone better matched to her, and 2) he decided she was a meanie and stopped actively pursuing her.

As for House still pranking Cuddy and messing with her photos...Wilson got her back by stealing her Condo, but House hath his own revenge. And besides that, she embarrassed him in front of Lucas by spilling something intensely private and mortifying to him. She deserves a little bit of House's wrath. But I think that the "pining" -ish scene at the end of "Remorse", where House looked into her office, was less that House wants Cuddy but can't have her b/c of Lucas, and more that House lost a very old friend. Because he really did - he and Cuddy aren't friends anymore. That hallucination and his balcony announcement ruined it. And then her betrayal by blabbing to Lucas cinched it for him. I really think that House laments the loss of Cuddy as a friend more than anything. That betrayal hurts more than having her date another guy.

[identity profile] jomadge.livejournal.com 2010-01-29 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
Just said this on another thread, but going to say it again: *worships you* May I live in your brain, please?

[identity profile] fourleggedfish.livejournal.com 2010-01-29 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
*scoops out corner of brain for you* Here you go! I baked you cookies, too, and put Wilson in there so that you don't get lonely. :P